Curse

astro reaping · Aug 20, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

does mark of pain work
with necro minions?

Bloodseeker · Aug 20, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

yes it does

12 chars

Sindy · Aug 20, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

short answer: yes

Long answer: absolutely

(of course, barring anything like [greater conflagration])

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Aug 20, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Yeah, it's pwnsauce. :P

astro reaping · Aug 20, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

good good...closed..cheers

Brutal Bitter · Aug 20, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

add barbs too so you can fall asleep and still win.

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Aug 20, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

[barbs] is more effective versus strong single targets.

DarkSpirit · Aug 20, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Of course it works necro minions and I have been using this build lately for henching:

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/User:Dar...-_Mark_Of_Pain

http://home1.gte.net/~res0iq2d/GW/MoP.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/~res0iq2d/GW/MoP2.jpg

Saraneth · Aug 20, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Minions target foes randomly, so they're not going to follow your calls and specifically attack a target hexed with MoP or Barbs. You're going to want to have other physical dmg types in your party to make better use of those two skills. Also, as a caster, it might be better to take a martial wep to inflict the physical dmg required by the hexes yourself.

DarkSpirit · Aug 20, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Saraneth

Minions target foes randomly, so they're not going to follow your calls and specifically attack a target hexed with MoP or Barbs. You're going to want to have other physical dmg types in your party to make better use of those two skills. Also, as a caster, it might be better to take a martial wep to inflict the physical dmg required by the hexes yourself.

Not really. Minions tend to attack whatever the MM targets. Fiends are especially good with targeting because they are ranged.

As for physical types, I wouldn't bet so much on PUGs doing it right so unless you are with good guild members who knows how to synchronize with you, I trust the Fiends targeting more than Pugger's. Or do it with ranged physical heroes/henchies since they synchronize better than PUGs too. All forms of physical damage helps, especially ranged.

You should try it.

boogerboy72 · Aug 20, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Saraneth

Also, as a caster, it might be better to take a martial wep to inflict the physical dmg required by the hexes yourself.

lol wut?

btw, you can wait and cast it AFTER the minions are attacking something you know,

Saraneth · Aug 21, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by boogerboy72

lol wut?

Caster spears work well enough; I wouldn't suggest running in with a sword or any other close range wep as a softy. It's just a way to add another physical attacker to the party.

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As for physical types, I wouldn't bet so much on PUGs doing it right so unless you are with good guild members who knows how to synchronize with you, I trust the Fiends targeting more than Pugger's. Or do it with ranged physical heroes/henchies since they synchronize better than PUGs too. All forms of physical damage helps, especially ranged.

I usually run with the ranger henchies in most zones.

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Not really. Minions tend to attack whatever the MM targets. Fiends are especially good with targeting because they are ranged.

Minions do not use pet AI. They do not neccessarily attack what their master attacks, and will attack any hostile creature that enters their aggro circle. Similarly, they do not respond to called targets.
Edit: Whoops, link was malfunctioning.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minion

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Originally Posted by boogerboy72

btw, you can wait and cast it AFTER the minions are attacking something you know,

As mentioned above, minions don't prioritize targets, so that method would be situational.

jayce · Aug 21, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by boogerboy72

btw, you can wait and cast it AFTER the minions are attacking something you know,

finally, someone else sees the light...

Jayce Of Underworld

DarkSpirit · Aug 21, 2008, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraneth

Minions do not use pet AI. They do not neccessarily attack what their master attacks, and will attack any hostile creature that enters their aggro circle. Similarly, they do not respond to called targets.
Edit: Whoops, link was malfunctioning.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minion

I am sure that information is not very accurate since I have observed minions for a long time now. They will generally target what the minion master targets even though they may not follow called targets.

The official wiki is more accurate: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Minion

"Although minions will attack foes in their Danger Zone, they will not attack ones outside this range unless their master attacks a target. Spells will not count as attacks in this regard. "

This means they DO try to target whatever their master attacks with his wand or ranged weapon.

A. Noid · Aug 22, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Haven't really tried this, but has anyone considered running MoP in conjunction with a sin using [locusts fury] and an IAS- critical agility?

Lots of triggers there for MoP.

-ANoid

Moloch Vein · Aug 24, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Yes, we have. It's pretty nice.

Chthon · Aug 24, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saraneth

Minions do not use pet AI. They do not neccessarily attack what their master attacks, and will attack any hostile creature that enters their aggro circle. Similarly, they do not respond to called targets.
Edit: Whoops, link was malfunctioning.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minion

As mentioned above, minions don't prioritize targets, so that method would be situational.

This is incorrect. Minions use a target prioritization system similar to monsters. The master's target is given a weight in deciding what to attack. Use the search and you can find a detailed post be me describing how the minions choose targets.

syphonus · Aug 25, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Of course it works necro minions and I have been using this build lately for henching:

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/User:Dar...-_Mark_Of_Pain

http://home1.gte.net/~res0iq2d/GW/MoP.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/~res0iq2d/GW/MoP2.jpg

Is there anything you need to micro in this build?

DarkSpirit · Aug 25, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by syphonus

Is there anything you need to micro in this build?

On the heroes, no, but my necro controls MoP and barbs. Heroes tend not to make good choices for MoP targets anyway.

If I cast Barbs on the MoP target, I find that fiends kill it so fast that the target tend to die before the surrounding monsters are killed through MoP triggering. So now I cast MoP first, trigger it until the surrounding monsters die then cast Barbs to finish that target off.

Cathode_Reborn · Aug 25, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

If you wanna see big numbers from MoP, do Frostmaw's dungeon. You get 4 phys guys as allies so.....boom